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THE ANONYMOUSNESS OF SOME PARTICIPANTS
IT HAS BEEN DIGITALLY PROTECTED.
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THE NAMES AND VOICES HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
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BABY NAME ZOE
IT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO PROTECT YOUR IDENTITY.
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Police. Simon Blackwell, Cheshire.
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Can we come in to talk?
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- Forward.
- Sorry for the intrusion.
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- Forward.
- No, please! Not again!
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- I'll explain everything to you.
- No!
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I can't take it anymore!
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I know it's annoying.
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Take a look above.
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- Good.
- Oh, no.
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-Lucy?
- Yes.
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I'm going in, okay?
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- Hello. Alright?
- Yeah.
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Hello, Lucy. Sorry for coming so early.
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I am ****, research team
Chester Felony Crimes Center.
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She is detained as a suspect
of murder and attempted murder.
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You don't have to say anything.
Anything you say can be used as evidence.
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I am aware of your surprise.
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What we are going to ask you, Lucy,
is to get up and get dressed.
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- Follow me.
- Yes.
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Can I see my cat?
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Wait a second.
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Hello.
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You know it wasn't me.
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- I know.
- Me too.
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We know it!
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It's okay, take care of the kittens.
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Get in the house, mom, don't...
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Don't look, mom. Go away.
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Go home, mom.
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Let's see, inside.
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Today, the police arrested
to a health worker…
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…as suspected of murdering eight babies…
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…and try to murder six others.
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We have analyzed the evidence case by case
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and we have allowed him
give detailed explanations.
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It was unthinkable that that young nurse
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was capable of doing harm
to some defenseless babies.
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He wrote a note that said:
"I'm bad. It was me."
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This case was and is a unique case.
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There were 17 babies from 13 different families.
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If it had nothing to do with the collapse
and the death of these neonates,
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why did he acknowledge in a note that he was
the one responsible and who killed them on purpose?
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No comments.
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A young woman that no one suspected.
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One of the child murderers
with the most victims in the history of the country.
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Lucy Letby is guilty…
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…of murdering seven newborns.
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Is this modest nurse really
became a child murderer?
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Today, an international committee
from medical experts...
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…has reviewed the reports.
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Their conclusions contradict
everything that was said at the trial.
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{\an8}In summary, ladies and gentlemen,
We do not consider any murder.
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{\an8}It could be one of the news
craziest that have come to me.
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No one has killed more children than her.
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I think it wasn't her.
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The story is tragic and horrifying.
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He is innocent. Let her go, bro.
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Is he guilty
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or is he actually innocent?
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THE INVESTIGATION INTO LUCY LETBY
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THIS DOCUMENTARY WAS ACCESSED
TO THE CHESHIRE POLICE,
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YOUR RESEARCH AND UNPUBLISHED IMAGES.
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This interview is being recorded.
Everything you say will be recorded.
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- State your name, please.
- Lucy Letby.
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- Date of birth?
- January 4, 1990.
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In this interview
will have the opportunity to respond
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to the reasons for his arrest.
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If you are innocent
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and it has an explanation,
reasonable defense or alibi,
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we will try to corroborate them.
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This is not a trial.
Do you understand, Lucy?
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Yes.
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Very good.
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The interrogation of Lucy Letby
It went on for many hours.
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{\an8}DEPUTY INSPECTOR
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{\an8}At first, we asked
all kinds of open questions
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about the operation of your unit.
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Tell me how they are managed
the first foods for the baby.
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The doctors give us authorization
to start feeding the baby.
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Yes.
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He is fed
through a nasogastric tube.
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Okay.
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Normally, premature babies
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we prefer to give them breast milk
or donated breast milk.
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To babies like this
It is not common to give them formula.
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Good.
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It gave the impression
to be a competent nurse
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who knew how to take care of babies.
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However, when we insist
due to the collapse of a specific baby,
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their responses became
much less concrete.
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Let's talk about ***.
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At 16:01 on June 20, 2015,
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The girl was born by cesarean section
and went to the neonatal unit.
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At 04:25 on June 22, 2015,
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his death was certified.
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Can you tell us something
about what happened to him?
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I don't remember *** well.
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Good.
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Little Zoe suffered
three different neonatal collapses
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in a single night.
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We knew it was run by Lucy Letby.
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Why didn't he remember anything?
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Don't you remember any collapse
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or having attended to her at that moment?
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No.
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THREE YEARS BEFORE
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Three weeks before due dates,
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I woke up and saw that my water had broken.
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It was time.
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DIGITAL ANONYMIZATION
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{\an8}At the hospital, they recognized me
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{\an8}and confirmed with an echo
that everything was fine.
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We were going to meet little Zoe.
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However, it wasn't going to be easy.
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The birth lasted 60 hours.
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I noticed something was wrong
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and I insisted that I have a cesarean section.
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The doctor let me see Zoe when he took her out,
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and it seemed to me that he was having trouble breathing.
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They had to take her to the ICU.
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Seeing her in the incubator was very painful.
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I couldn't get her out of there.
but I could hold his little hand.
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It was very fragile,
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tiny and beautiful.
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I became a mom.
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The doctors told us
who was reacting very well,
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that responded just as they expected,
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and that... there was no reason to worry.
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I was sleeping when a nurse
He turned on the light and said, "Come right away."
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I asked, "What's wrong?"
He said, "There's no time. Let's go."
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I remember being in a wheelchair
down that hallway and think: "What's going on?"
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The panic was evident.
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The doctor did everything possible
so that his heart would not stop beating.
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He didn't give up. I wanted him to insist.
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However, his partner
he put his hand on her shoulder
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and said to him:
"Leave it. There's nothing more that can be done."
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The doctor still had Zoe in his arms, but…
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he stopped.
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That was it. It was the end.
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It was over.
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My husband and I…
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We started crying and...
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I…
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We couldn't say more than:
"What was it? What happened?"
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The girl was fine, so...
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I don't... I felt a lot of anger,
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sadness and confusion, and then...
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Yes.
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When Zoe passed away,
We didn't know what had happened.
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It was getting better.
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We didn't expect him to die.
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{\an8}Why did it get worse?
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{\an8}Why didn't he respond to resuscitation?
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An even more worrying fact was
that Zoe was the third baby to die
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in just over two weeks.
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Some had a strange rash
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and they didn't respond
in the usual way to resuscitation.
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It was worrying. Why had they died
three babies in such a short time?
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Had we missed something?
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We expected that the three deaths
They would have been a matter of bad luck,
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but, unfortunately, there were more.
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More newborns were dying
of those who had never died here.
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On February 16,
The number rose to nine deaths.
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It was a terrifying moment, very worrying.
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Several doctors requested meetings
with clinical risk managers
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and the hospital's nursing management,
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but they didn't seem
especially worried.
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As it had never happened to us before,
we didn't know what to do.
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Then, in June 2016,
the matter ended up exploding
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with two more deaths
for which we find no explanation.
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By then,
we had 13 unexpected deaths.
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In my 21 years in pediatrics,
I had never seen anything like it.
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At that time,
We knew something had to be done.
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MAY 2017
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One night, while at the headquarters,
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They gave me three different reports
from the Countess of Chester Hospital.
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{\an8}An increase had been documented
in the number of deaths
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{\an8}and severe sudden collapses
in the neonatal unit.
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Between June 2015 and July 2016,
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there were 13 deaths.
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{\an8}The most worrying thing for doctors
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was that many of those deaths
and collapses were unexplained.
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Then, they told me
that a worker had been transferred.
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I thought maybe it was too soon
to try to identify a suspect.
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There could be different explanations
for so many neonatal deaths.
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Were they due to errors at the hospital?
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An uncontrolled infectious disease?
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Or could they be cases of natural death?
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we had to understand
medical circumstances
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of each of those neonates.
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It was essential to find
independent medical experts
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that provide an objective vision
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of those sudden collapses.
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One morning,
I was at home and read an article
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about a police investigation
in the neonatal unit
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motivated by the death of babies.
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I thought, "How interesting.
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{\an8}A case tailored to me."
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{\an8}MEDICAL EXPERT OF THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
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I have more than 30 years of experience
in the care of sick neonates.
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Furthermore, for decades,
I work as a medical expert
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for the criminal court.
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I told the police: "If I reviewed a case,
Maybe I could know what's going on."
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That baby in particular
He was born in good condition,
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with a good weight, more than 2 kilos,
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and went from being stable
to suffer a sudden collapse.
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In the photos, he had clots
marble-sized blood
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below the liver,
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in addition to abdominal bleeding.
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That seemed horrible to me.
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How was it possible
than a baby that was developing well
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ended up suffering
serious liver disorders?
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Within hours, the baby had died.
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I told the police:
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"I want to study all the cases
during this two-year period.
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They gave me 32 cases,
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and identified suspicious events
in about half of them.
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Sudden postnatal collapses
for which there was no explanation.
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According to my experience,
It was an unprecedented matter,
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and I had to think the unthinkable.
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someone had done harm
to those babies intentionally.
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That changed
the course of the investigation.
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The awful reality was
that could be murders.
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The next question was:
"Who was it?"
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We made a list
who might have been present
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in every death or sudden collapse.
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What doctors were present?
What nurses, what family members?
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Who had access
to medications and medical records?
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We continue investigating.
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Who could have been there?
Who else could it be?
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When analyzing the information,
a clear pattern appeared.
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{\an8}NEONATE UNIT SHIFTS
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In the 25 suspected deaths and collapses,
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there was a name
that appeared repeatedly.
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A nurse had
a crucial role in all cases.
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And that was Lucy Letby.
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NINE YEARS BEFORE
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I remember the first day of class.
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{\an8}I entered a classroom.
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{\an8}DIGITAL ANONYMIZATION
NURSE
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I didn't know anyone.
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I decided to sit alone.
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Then, a girl approached me.
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He sat down and told me:
"How are you? My name is Lucy."
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His smile had something
which calmed me down immediately.
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After four days at the college,
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We both became inseparable.
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We sat together.
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I was going to his house for dinner
and she came to mine.
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We went out to party together.
254
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If it got late,
We slept at one of the two's houses.
255
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,200
We were going to the cinema.
256
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,240
We did everything together.
257
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,040
He had a great sense of humor.
258
00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,120
It was all… fun.
259
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,480
Since Lucy was an only child,
Her parents spoiled her a lot.
260
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They were very proud to see her.
at university, studying nursing.
261
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:20,720
She wanted to learn, to know everything,
in order to do your job well.
262
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,799
Lucy and I did internships together
at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
263
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We were both very excited.
264
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,920
But when we arrived, we saw that the nurses
They were a very… closed group.
265
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,759
I remember we went
to have lunch in the break room,
266
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,080
where there were nurses chatting.
267
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,319
Lucy tried to get into the conversation,
268
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,000
but they didn't pay any attention to him.
269
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,799
We felt that the nurses
They didn't want us to be there,
270
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,000
and neither does the medical team.
271
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:10,679
{\an8}I started to think that there were people
who made a special effort
272
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,600
{\an8}in making Lucy's job difficult.
273
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,439
I couldn't think of any reason
why they could treat her like this,
274
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,720
unless they didn't like him
because she was shy and quiet.
275
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,079
I didn't want to work in that hospital,
276
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,760
but Lucy applied for a place
in the neonatal unit.
277
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,359
I never finished understanding
why did you want to stay,
278
00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:46,720
taking into account the attitude
of some nurses and doctors.
279
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,760
It could be said that graduation
It was a bittersweet moment.
280
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We all went to dinner,
my family and yours.
281
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,999
{\an8}Lucy's parents were so proud
282
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,680
{\an8}they put an ad
in the local newspaper.
283
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,920
I was sad and worried for her,
because I didn't know how I was going to handle it.
284
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,960
FOUR YEARS LATER
285
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Lucy was a reserved nurse.
286
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,120
She seemed meticulous and diligent.
287
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,319
{\an8}As far as I'm concerned,
He seemed competent.
288
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,280
There was nothing that made me suspicious.
289
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,639
However, at the end of 2015,
290
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:55,520
all doctors worry
by the number of unexplained deaths.
291
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,239
Shifts were reviewed
and a common denominator was found.
292
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,719
There was only one person
on call in all cases,
293
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,040
and that was Lucy Letby.
294
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,680
At first, I didn't know how to interpret it.
295
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,080
Was it a simple coincidence
or was I doing something wrong?
296
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,599
I decided to raise the issue
to the head of nursing of the unit,
297
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,879
but she was totally convinced
298
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,119
that Letby was
a competent and applied nurse,
299
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:34,560
and it seemed unthinkable to suggest
that he did something bad to the patients.
300
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,159
Unfortunately,
There were still deaths at night,
301
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,280
and Lucy Letby
He was on guard in all of them.
302
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,559
In the end, the general management decided
303
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,760
put Lucy Letby on the day shift.
304
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,839
Thus they ceased
the deaths and the nocturnal collapses,
305
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,040
but, alarmingly,
They began to pass during the day.
306
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,319
At that time,
307
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,920
in the medical team we realized
that the decision could not be delayed.
308
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,560
Lucy Letby had to be removed
of the neonatal unit.
309
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,119
One year after starting the case,
310
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:27,959
I received an email from Lucy Letby
from your work account.
311
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,759
SUBJECT: OPERATION HUMMINGBIRD
312
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,679
He cited the name of the operation,
that was not in the public domain.
313
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,319
I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN IDEA
314
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,599
WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO CALL ME?
315
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,319
I knew we had talked
with her companions and not with her,
316
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,599
and she wanted to know when we would call her.
317
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,199
I WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF YOU INFORMED ME
TO NOT SUFFER SO MUCH ANXIETY
318
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,799
I found it interesting,
319
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,279
because I thought maybe
would have something to tell us.
320
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,799
{\an8}DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME
IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT SOMETHING WITH ME
321
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,560
{\an8}THANK YOU VERY MUCH
LUCY LETBY
322
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,279
We had to question Lucy Letby,
323
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,119
and the best way, rather the only way,
324
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,400
was to stop her.
325
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,079
- Hello. Lucy?
- Yes.
326
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,359
I'm ****, Cheshire Police.
Can I spend a second?
327
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:17,760
- Yes.
- Yes? Thank you.
328
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,839
- Is there anyone else at home?
- Yes.
329
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,599
-Who is there?
- My father.
330
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,279
Well, an agent is going to go up and let you know.
331
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,439
- I want to talk to you.
- I'm going to look for it.
332
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,920
Do you want to sit down?
333
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,239
I warn her that I wear a body camera
and we're recording, okay?
334
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,079
- Good.
- Is the living room light here?
335
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,600
- Yes.
- Which one is it? That is.
336
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,999
I want you to listen to me carefully,
because I'm going to read you some information.
337
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560
- Okay.
- It is important that you listen to me.
338
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,839
"Between March 2015 and July 2016,
339
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,999
Chester Hospital Neonatal ICU
experienced a high mortality rate.
340
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,479
After an internal review,
The case was sent to Cheshire Police,
341
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,519
who launched an investigation.
342
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,999
The tests allowed us to identify
343
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,359
murder crimes
and attempted murder,
344
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,639
and you are listed as a suspect.
345
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:21,279
You don't have to say anything.
Anything you say can be used as evidence.
346
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,199
It is necessary to stop it
to investigate the crime
347
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,840
and protect children
or vulnerable people".
348
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,560
Do you understand what I just read to you?
349
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,720
Lucy, what are we going to do now?
350
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,400
is to take her to the police station
to proceed with his interrogation.
351
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240
These agents will accompany you upstairs.
352
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,759
From this moment,
will always be accompanied
353
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,120
so that nothing else happens to him
neither to you nor to us.
354
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,279
Do you want to put on some type of footwear or…?
355
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Are you going to come as you are dressed?
356
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,839
He's wearing a tracksuit and it seems appropriate to me.
357
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,559
Let's go find him shoes.
358
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:10,719
It's just...
359
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,240
Do you have sneakers?
360
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,759
We can't touch everything else,
361
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,840
so you won't be able to take anything else.
362
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,399
Are they going to search the house?
363
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,519
Yes, there will be a registry.
364
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,559
Can I say goodbye?
365
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,280
- From the cat? Clear.
- Yes.
366
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,719
This is just for transportation, okay?
367
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,799
For your own safety in the car
and for ours, okay?
368
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,040
Upon arriving at the police station,
We will remove the handcuffs.
369
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,159
The phone woke me up around six.
370
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,879
A voice told me:
"This is Cheshire Police.
371
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,879
We called her to let her know
of the arrest of a person
372
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,680
as a suspect in the murder of her daughter.
373
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,360
Suddenly I realized that someone
He could have hurt my daughter on purpose.
374
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,240
I...
375
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,120
We were totally…
376
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,360
without words
377
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,959
Okay, good.
378
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,920
Get out of the car, please.
379
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Okay, raise your arms.
380
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,920
There is something here.
381
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320
What is your current profession?
382
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,600
Pediatric nurse.
383
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,480
Can you sit here, Lucy?
384
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,999
A nurse has been arrested
as suspected of murdering eight babies
385
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,639
and try to murder six more
at the Countess of Chester Hospital…
386
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,839
As soon as I saw his face,
387
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,920
I recognized the nurse.
388
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800
The first time I went to see Zoe,
389
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,479
I carried a folder,
but he didn't do anything concrete.
390
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,720
He was standing there, looking at us.
391
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,679
The arrest confirms
the spooky possibility
392
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040
that the children were murdered.
393
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,760
I got news on my cell phone.
394
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,359
I started to shake, I got tachycardia.
395
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,279
My pulse quickened.
396
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,280
"Why are they stopping her?"
397
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,600
I couldn't believe it.
398
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,160
I thought it was an incomprehensible mistake.
399
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,599
This interview is being recorded.
400
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,879
- It is present…
- 3201, Vikki Holt.
401
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,959
Say her name, please, Lucy.
402
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Lucy Letby.
403
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,839
The goal
from the interrogation of Lucy Letby
404
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,919
was to know the truth
about what happened to those babies,
405
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,559
in addition to giving you the opportunity
406
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,839
to give an alternative explanation
407
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,400
about why your health
had worsened so sharply.
408
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,959
During resuscitation,
What does each person do?
409
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,399
The medical team controls breathing
410
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,439
and manage
the corresponding medication.
411
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,519
- Two people are in charge of that.
- Yes.
412
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,800
Then, the ideal is that someone
support parents.
413
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,719
He knew his job well.
She seemed calm and participatory.
414
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,639
And, when talking about the relative processes
caring for newborns,
415
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,080
He knew how to answer all the questions.
416
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,399
Who takes notes
during resuscitation attempts?
417
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,319
The ideal is that there is someone.
418
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,879
Normally,
one of the newest doctors
419
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,600
or one of the nurses
They are the ones who take note.
420
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,919
However, when faced with certain questions,
421
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,399
specifically,
about what he did in those moments,
422
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,799
It seems like he's starting to get evasive.
423
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Just before the collapse, Lucy,
424
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,400
did you have any reason
to enter room one?
425
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,559
I don't remember.
426
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Good. Did you work in room one?
427
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,119
I think not, but I don't remember
what baby I had in my care.
428
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Okay.
429
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,999
You don't remember either
430
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,360
how he ended up in room one
during resuscitation?
431
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,720
No.
432
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,399
He thought about the answer for a while,
433
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,639
let a considerable amount of time pass
434
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,760
before answering.
435
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Do you know why
Did you need resuscitation?
436
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,919
No, I don't remember what happened before.
437
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,560
I only know that there was a resuscitation.
438
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,360
Those answers
They raised many doubts in us.
439
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,759
Lucy Letby spent many hours in detention,
440
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,760
but we don't meet
sufficient evidence to accuse her.
441
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,360
There were still many data to be elucidated.
442
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,400
After interrogation, he was released on bail,
443
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,399
which allowed us to gather
more expert evidence
444
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,920
and do a more exhaustive analysis
of the material collected in the records.
445
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,959
There was a lot of material to review.
446
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,080
{\an8}TESTS_OP_HUMMINGBIRD
447
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,399
KEEP
448
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880
We found a box
with the word "keep" written on it.
449
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,800
It contained relay sheets
from Chester Hospital.
450
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,359
They were highly confidential documents
451
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,679
which included personal data,
452
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,039
patient names,
453
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,880
dates of birth and summaries
of their clinical status at that time.
454
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,719
It turned out that some of those documents
455
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,959
They corresponded to newborns
who had died after a collapse,
456
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400
which we found very worrying.
457
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,279
Lucy Letby wrote down many things
458
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240
and, clearly, a lot of material was left behind.
459
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,000
There were a lot of newspapers
460
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,640
and notes on post-its.
461
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760
We find evidence
truly worrying.
462
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,840
We were clear that there was
to arrest Lucy Letby again.
463
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Lucy Letby had to be done
several direct and difficult questions.
464
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,239
Police. Simon Blackwell, Cheshire.
465
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Can we come in to talk?
466
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,319
Lucy?
467
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,160
Yes.
468
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,160
I'm going in, okay?
469
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,439
Hello, Lucy.
470
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,239
We have obtained
a series of additional tests
471
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,999
and I am going to arrest her for several crimes.
472
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,840
- Follow me, please.
- Yes.
473
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,319
At that moment, the strategy became clear.
474
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,439
Since there was so much evidence,
475
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,800
I had to stick to the data
that she couldn't refute.
476
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,800
If she had an alternative explanation,
It was time to offer it.
477
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,919
Let's continue
with the interrogation, Lucy.
478
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,679
As you see, the red light has come on.
479
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,600
This interrogation is being recorded
and monitoring from above.
480
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,039
There has been a search,
481
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,680
and a large number of relay sheets
482
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,519
they have appeared at his home.
483
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Can you explain it to us?
484
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,399
They are leaves that I accidentally took home,
485
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880
for not emptying my pockets when leaving.
486
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,999
{\an8}TESTS_OP_HUMMINGBIRD
487
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,439
There were almost 250 relay sheets,
488
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,200
and I had them saved
in chronological order.
489
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,479
It was clear that it was
a conscientious and methodical person.
490
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,399
I knew they contained
confidential information
491
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,839
and I knew I shouldn't keep them.
492
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,399
The idea that, by mistake,
would have taken home
493
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,759
up to 250 confidential records
It was hardly credible.
494
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,479
KEEP
495
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,760
Explain to me why you kept them
all together in a box.
496
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,679
I didn't know how to get rid of them,
497
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,120
so I didn't do it.
498
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,880
Didn't you know how to get rid of them?
499
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,440
No.
500
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,639
Have you taken home
other relay sheets
501
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,200
and have you gotten rid of them?
502
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,240
No, never.
503
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719
I don't have a paper shredder,
and that's what...
504
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,800
what I should use.
505
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,679
During a registration,
506
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,799
we find
a crusher at home,
507
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,079
which his version did not fit.
508
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,080
I could have shredded the documents
confidentially, but he kept them.
509
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,199
The documents in the box
that he keeps at home, Lucy,
510
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,720
do they correspond to babies
who were in your charge?
511
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Yes.
512
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,320
If you keep something it's for a reason,
513
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,080
because it seems important to you.
514
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,159
LUCY LETBY TESTS
DIARY 2016
515
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,120
In the records,
A series of diaries were found.
516
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,920
When we start reviewing them,
We saw that there were worrying details.
517
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,400
We found some initials
518
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,639
that coincided with the suspected cases
519
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560
that we were investigating.
520
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,239
My partner asked
for babies collapsing,
521
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,560
and you said that you wrote them down.
522
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,159
- Why?
- I already said it.
523
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,159
I don't know how he wrote them down.
524
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,160
Now.
525
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,159
There were a couple of dates
where collapses occurred
526
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,719
and which were marked with asterisks.
527
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,199
I think there are days in the diary that…
528
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,880
I marked with asterisks the days when…
529
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,319
one baby was especially serious.
530
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,480
And for what purpose did he point them out?
531
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,240
I don't know, for myself...
532
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,800
Your own what?
533
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600
I don't know, my own reflection, I guess.
534
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,120
Why did I want to reflect on that?
535
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,599
I don't talk about it with anyone.
536
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,680
I internalize things
and I reflect in due time.
537
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,159
As we saw it,
538
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,760
what I did was document
which baby he had attacked each day.
539
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,519
In a second series of records,
540
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,000
we found in the garage
a large garbage bag.
541
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,399
It contained a sheet of paper
542
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,880
with some worrying notes.
543
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,399
I'm going to read you a fragment that says:
544
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800
"Murderer. Murder.
545
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,320
No one will ever know
what happened and why."
546
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,679
Explain those notes to me, Lucy.
547
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,680
No comments.
548
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,400
Tell me about the word "murderer."
549
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,320
No comments.
550
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,679
Are you suggesting that you are a murderer?
551
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,760
No comments.
552
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,039
Tell me about:
553
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,039
"No one will ever know
what happened and why."
554
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,719
- No comments.
-What does it mean, Lucy?
555
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:06,840
No comments.
556
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,879
It was obvious that he was beginning to understand
557
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,560
in which direction the evidence pointed.
558
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,239
Lucy, since she left,
559
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,599
887 babies were born
with at least 32 weeks of gestation
560
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,119
at the Countess of Chester Hospital
561
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,200
and they were admitted to the neonatal unit.
562
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,039
Since you left,
none of them died
563
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,320
nor did it worsen unexpectedly.
564
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,599
Do you have any comments on this?
565
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,680
No comments.
566
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,479
With all the evidence
that we have,
567
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,679
it seems clear that you
was the only person present
568
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,719
in the 25 cases of neonatal collapse
569
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,439
and the death of the 17 neonates.
570
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,560
This suggests that you are responsible.
571
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,840
There's no one else, Lucy. Only you.
572
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,039
Lucy, if you have any explanation
about your responsibility,
573
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,159
this is your last chance
to offer it to us.
574
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,240
No comments.
575
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,879
Okay.
576
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,119
Well, according to my watch, it's 4:10 p.m.,
577
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,240
and this interrogation has concluded.
578
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,320
We spoke to Lucy Letby in detail
about all those newborns.
579
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,079
The time has come to analyze the situation
and review the evidence we had,
580
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,320
so he was released on bail again.
581
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,839
It was very difficult for me to imagine
what Lucy felt during her detention
582
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,160
and those endless interrogations.
583
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,519
I was wanting to tell you
that he could count on me if he needed it,
584
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,080
and it hurt me a lot not to be able to do it.
585
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,200
I never doubted that it was
completely innocent.
586
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,439
There came a moment in the investigation
587
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,599
where we had a lot of information
of interrogation and witnesses,
588
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,560
along with more expert evidence.
589
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,839
Once the material
was systematically integrated,
590
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,360
it became clear that everything pointed
towards Lucy Letby's involvement.
591
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,959
Is it up?
592
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,320
Yes, I think so.
593
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,039
Hello, nothing happens.
It's Cheshire Police, okay?
594
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,759
Lucy, can I turn on the light?
595
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,480
- Yes.
- Do you want to sit down?
596
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Because…
597
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,359
Lucy, listen to me for a moment.
I'm **** from Cheshire Police.
598
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,959
I'm going to arrest her as a suspect.
of the murder of ****,
599
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,479
the murder of ****,
600
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,880
the murder of ****…
601
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Did you hear me, Lucy?
602
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,880
Let's ask him to get dressed, okay?
603
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,240
This agent is going to take her
to Chester police station, okay?
604
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,360
Lucy, do you want to put on some clothes?
605
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
This is just for transportation, okay?
606
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Does it squeeze you a lot?
607
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,319
It's got some slack, right?
608
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,120
It's so he can't let go.
609
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,760
Please sit down.
610
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,440
May I?
611
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,999
24 HOURS LATER, LUCY LETBY WAS CHARGED.
612
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,599
8 COUNTS OF MURDER.
613
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,200
10 COUNTS OF ATTEMPTED MURDER.
614
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:17,479
LUCY LETBY SPENT 23 MONTHS
WAITING TRIAL IN PRISON.
615
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,399
The trial of a nurse begins
for the murder of seven babies
616
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,279
in a neonatal unit.
617
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,719
Lucy Letby looked after
of the most vulnerable newborns.
618
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,279
He arrived at the courtroom in a police van.
619
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Accused of murdering seven babies
and trying to murder ten others.
620
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,959
All the time you are thinking:
"Have we done it well?
621
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Do we have solid evidence
that stand up to the scrutiny of a trial?"
622
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,559
In his opening statement,
prosecutor Nicholas Johnson has exposed
623
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,359
that the collapse and death of the 17 children
They did not occur due to natural causes,
624
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,560
but rather they were the work of the accused.
625
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,239
All I could think about was Lucy.
626
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,560
and in all things
What people were going to say about her.
627
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,840
I had a hard time preparing for the hearing.
628
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080
I didn't stop thinking about Zoe for a single day.
629
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,839
I wanted justice to be done,
630
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,840
but I didn't want to go to trial
and be conditioned.
631
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,080
I knew that Lucy Letby
would sit on the bench
632
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,800
and that would be in front of me.
633
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,119
Dressed in a light gray sweatshirt
and dark gray pants,
634
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,159
He only spoke to confirm his name.
635
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,999
{\an8}There were 50 or 60 journalists from all over the world
636
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,720
{\an8}covering the news.
637
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,039
I sat in the front row,
as close as possible to Lucy Letby,
638
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,720
and from there I witnessed the entire trial.
639
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,639
Just start,
640
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,000
the prosecution's opening statement
It consisted of more than 90 pages.
641
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,640
It was exposed that Lucy Letby
He attacked the babies in different ways,
642
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,079
from direct physical damage
643
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,320
to the throat or abdomen, among others.
644
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,839
They said he was removing endotracheal tubes,
645
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,879
to produce oxygen desaturation
646
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,120
and cause decompensation.
647
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,799
Or overfeeding the babies
648
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,719
to inflate the stomach,
push the diaphragm into the lungs
649
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,440
and make breathing difficult.
650
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,279
I was changing methods
depending on what you needed
651
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,440
to cause deaths and collapses.
652
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,880
Now, the prosecution had to prove it.
653
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,879
Prosecutor Nick Johnson
has dedicated seven months
654
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,159
to the presentation of the case of Lucy Letby.
655
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,319
Now, you will have the opportunity
to ask him directly
656
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,640
due to murder accusations
and injuries to neonates in their care.
657
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,960
For the first time since Zoe died,
I was going to see Lucy Letby.
658
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,320
I sat three meters away from her.
659
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,960
He stared at me a dozen times.
660
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,200
Every time he looked at me,
I looked away.
661
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,239
The atmosphere in the room
662
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,160
It was extremely tense.
663
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,959
When giving a statement,
664
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,439
gave the impression
to remember well the 17 babies
665
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,520
those who were accused
of having attacked, less than one.
666
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,720
They asked him if he remembered Zoe.
667
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,280
He paused and then said no.
668
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,440
The entire room stayed…
669
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,680
In court, he was very formal.
670
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,800
They tell us it was too
in interrogations.
671
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Let's talk about ***.
672
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,799
There are six pages of medical history
673
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,040
where your name appears.
674
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,760
Does it seem reasonable to you to affirm
What was in your charge?
675
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,360
Yes.
676
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,160
Tell us what happened to ***.
677
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,880
I don't remember *** very well.
678
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,600
Do you remember if you participated
somehow in resuscitation?
679
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,440
Not as far as I remember.
680
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,400
{\an8}I testified in court
that Zoe was stable.
681
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,360
{\an8}There was no reason why his health
could get worse, much less like this.
682
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,839
In the clinical notes, they warned
a strange skin discoloration
683
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,720
that neither nurses nor doctors
they had seen before.
684
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,999
Air was also found
in a blood vessel,
685
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,880
that is, a gas embolism.
686
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,239
It's like an air bag
in the heating
687
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,600
that stops circulation.
688
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,879
I reviewed the bibliography
689
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,920
on air embolisms in newborns,
690
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,599
and I found a book
of two Canadian doctors,
691
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,759
Lee and Tanswell, published in 1989.
692
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,359
They had observed
a very peculiar skin discoloration
693
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,679
due to the presence of air
in the circulatory system.
694
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,639
It was practically identical
695
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,319
as described by doctors
696
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,080
in several of the babies
from the Countess of Chester Hospital.
697
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,559
Dr. Evans issued his report,
698
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,639
and the defense replied: "Wait a minute.
699
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,599
Babies' health worsened
for several different reasons.
700
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,759
In some cases,
They were born sick and got worse.
701
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,039
In others,
the treatment was not satisfactory
702
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,720
and that contributed
to its sudden instability".
703
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,720
And he added: "They have no evidence
that it was due to an injection of air.
704
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,999
I explained that patients
of a neonatal unit
705
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,199
They are connected to a pump
very sophisticated intravenous infusion,
706
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,840
that prevents the presence
of air bubbles.
707
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,040
If the air cannot pass through
in circulation accidentally,
708
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:45,120
can only enter if someone
injects it intentionally.
709
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,639
I declared that, in my opinion,
710
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,319
little Zoe's worsening
711
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,760
It was due to an air injection
directly into the bloodstream.
712
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,639
Dr. Evans claims that his collapse
It could have been due to a gas embolism.
713
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,119
caused by an injection of air
714
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,760
while his nurse was not present,
715
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,879
but you do.
716
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,880
Now.
717
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,920
Do you have an explanation, Lucy?
718
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,280
No.
719
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,720
According to the evidence obtained, Lucy,
720
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880
you were present
in the collapse of ***.
721
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,760
Do you agree?
722
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,480
You worked in room one
while there was another nurse.
723
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,240
This one came out for some reason.
724
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,000
If so, I don't remember
Where was I exactly?
725
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,519
Why do you remember
726
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,960
administer medication
and not the collapses, Lucy?
727
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,519
No, I remember the medication
for having looked at the notes
728
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,640
and see that, obviously,
He had signed the papers.
729
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,599
Could it not be that he remembers
administer the medication
730
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,759
because that's when you
took advantage to attack...
731
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,720
No.
732
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,559
…and inject air?
733
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,399
- No.
- No?
734
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,320
No.
735
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,399
Listen to all the tests
related to Zoe's death
736
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,440
It was very… painful.
737
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,200
The prosecution explained
how Lucy Letby entered the room…
738
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,560
and inserted air...
739
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,840
in…
740
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,520
the tube.
741
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,359
I looked at Lucy Letby to see
742
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,280
how he reacted to that.
743
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,119
However, at no time
744
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,039
she appeared visibly upset
for the gruesome details
745
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,439
than what he was supposed to have done.
746
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,800
There was nothing. Zero.
747
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:17,399
What did they want me to do?
Sit there and cry all day?
748
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,760
Insist all the time on his innocence?
749
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,720
Because I don't think it's realistic or feasible.
750
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,759
IT HAS BEEN A TERRIBLE NIGHT.
SOMETIMES THIS JOB IS VERY SAD.
751
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,239
After what happened to Zoe,
752
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,079
Lucy Letby sent messages to colleagues…
753
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,679
WE HAVE LOST LITTLE ZOE
754
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,039
…to inform you that,
sadly, he had passed away,
755
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,439
and describe in detail
the parents' reaction.
756
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,039
{\an8}WE HAVE HAD A FATAL TIME.
757
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,359
{\an8}THE PARENTS WERE HEARTBREAKED.
758
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,439
The parents, heartbroken.
The father, screaming.
759
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,519
And she, in shock, paralyzed.
760
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,039
{\an8}I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT OR STOP CRYING.
761
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,519
{\an8}I HAVE TO GET OVER IT.
762
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,959
There it contradicts itself,
763
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,880
because then he claims that he doesn't remember anything.
764
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,439
We show Lucy Letby her messages
765
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,159
to help you remember the facts.
766
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,799
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE JOB
WITH MANY POSITIVE THINGS,
767
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,399
BUT SOMETIMES I THINK
WHY SOME BABIES COME AHEAD...
768
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,119
She insists on the same thing:
769
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,239
He doesn't remember any more details.
770
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,599
…AND OTHERS DIE SUDDENLY
771
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,519
I don't see anything strange
in writing to a colleague
772
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,720
to tell you that someone has died,
773
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,479
not even in writing to a colleague
to tell him it's been a bad day.
774
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,999
I SUPPOSE LIFE IS LIKE THIS...
775
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,480
You live with a lot of pressure.
776
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,520
Sometimes you do 14 hour shifts.
777
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,119
If a child's health worsens,
778
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,920
who realizes
She is the care nurse.
779
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,360
It's something that's scary.
780
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,160
The way to process it
is talking to others,
781
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,639
So I don't understand what they're looking for there.
782
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,319
I THINK THAT, IN A SOME WAY,
DESTINY INFLUENCES.
783
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,880
THERE IS A REASON FOR EVERYTHING.
784
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,360
SARAH AND DAN JONES, CHESHIRE
785
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,400
At the hearing, they asked Lucy
by your searches on Facebook.
786
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,799
Lucy Letby was searching
to Zoe's parents on the internet.
787
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,280
He searched for them on Facebook
separately, which is strange.
788
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:21,000
On June 25, he searched Facebook for ***.
789
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,120
That same June 25,
you looked for *****.
790
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,760
Do you agree
with those Facebook searches?
791
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,760
I don't remember doing it,
but yes, if they are there, I would do it.
792
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,359
Were you looking for pictures of the babies, Lucy?
793
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,360
No.
794
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,639
The defense stated that there was no
nothing sinister in those searches.
795
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,199
What they said was:
"She's just a little curious."
796
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,320
- You don't know what you were looking for?
- No.
797
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,319
In this case,
there was a lot of circumstantial evidence
798
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,679
that, if analyzed cold,
799
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,199
They didn't always look good for Letby,
800
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,119
but there is nothing illegal
in sending messages to colleagues
801
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,240
nor search for a person on Facebook.
802
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,720
If I wanted there to be no doubt,
The prosecution needed something more solid.
803
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,679
Much of the evidence in the case
It was complicated medical data.
804
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,320
However,
In two cases, according to the prosecution,
805
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,479
There was conclusive, irrefutable evidence.
806
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,000
There is evidence of what happened
and you can't deny it.
807
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,599
During the trial, Lucy Letby
she was accused of assaulting two babies
808
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,440
giving them insulin
without them needing it.
809
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,559
Giving insulin to someone without them
necessary is extremely dangerous.
810
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,520
It can cause a coma or death.
811
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,159
Whoever gave him insulin did so
knowing that it endangered his health
812
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,839
and could cause death or injury
irreversible with serious consequences.
813
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,000
Do you agree with the statement?
814
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Yes.
815
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,879
At the hearing, Letby's defense
816
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,399
had to admit
that this was done deliberately.
817
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,079
There was a poisoner in the unit,
818
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,240
but it had to be someone else.
819
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,399
Lucy Letby herself
acknowledged that it had been administered
820
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,999
artificial insulin for babies
and had caused them instability.
821
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,800
That was someone's work.
822
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,039
They asked Lucy:
823
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,039
"Do you accept the fact that there was
synthetic insulin in your body?"
824
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,720
They were tests, I couldn't say no.
825
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,559
However, by saying "I accept it",
It seemed like they were trying to get me to say:
826
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,560
"And it was me."
827
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,559
Lucy Letby was not only on guard.
828
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,559
His signature appeared on vital medications,
829
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,999
including a nutrition bag
830
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,680
that, according to our experts,
It was contaminated with insulin.
831
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,200
Has confirmed the presence
of its signature in parenteral nutrition.
832
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,759
Did you manage…
833
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,719
- No.
- …insulin in the bags?
834
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:24,720
No.
835
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,879
Parenteral nutrition bags
They were stored together with insulin,
836
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,760
in a refrigerator
to which Lucy Letby had the key.
837
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Lucy Letby clearly had
the opportunity to commit those crimes.
838
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,239
It could be accidental or it could be deliberate,
839
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,080
but the prosecution always assured
which was deliberate sabotage.
840
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,160
To the defense of Letby
It was difficult for him to refute that.
841
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,759
In view of all the evidence,
842
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,680
Objectively, no one else could have done it.
843
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,919
Did you give him insulin?
844
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,559
- No.
- The experts believe it was someone.
845
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,000
- The baby was in her care.
- I didn't go.
846
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,120
- Do you know who it was?
- No.
847
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,159
Now the jury had evidence
848
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,760
of deliberate poisoning
of a baby with a substance.
849
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,719
As is said in these cases,
850
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,600
It was clearer than water.
851
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,639
When studying the character of Lucy Letby,
852
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,319
you could say
that a piece of the puzzle is missing,
853
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,000
and is the question:
"Why did what happened happen?"
854
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,279
The most notable evidence
855
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,880
were the post-its found
during police searches.
856
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,799
These notes leave you absorbed.
857
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,840
They're like a Jackson Pollock painting,
858
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,360
but with words.
859
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,639
There are hardly any blank spaces.
They are full of strange phrases and words.
860
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,200
It's very confusing.
861
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,120
"I killed them."
862
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,680
"I'm bad. It was me."
Reading them is shocking.
863
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,159
What motivated you to write that?
864
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,480
and what did he do to think
that he was an evil person?
865
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,359
You wrote a series of notes
who say: "I'm bad. It was me."
866
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,119
"I don't deserve to live."
867
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,880
"I killed them on purpose."
868
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,680
"I'm a bad person, very bad."
869
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,959
Explain those notes to us.
870
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,000
No comments.
871
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,800
Here, everyone thinks: "That's it.
872
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,760
The game is over.
873
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,880
He has committed these crimes
and has written a confession."
874
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,119
One thing I will never understand
875
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:12,359
is why the defense
He did not call any expert.
876
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,959
The prosecution expert
He said whatever he wanted,
877
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,000
and I would say that Lucy had no one
878
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,280
to take his side
and said: "There is another explanation."
879
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,399
The jury in the case
by Nurse Lucy Letby
880
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,800
he has retired to deliberate.
881
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,680
Waiting for the verdict was very…
882
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,840
stressful.
883
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,400
I felt helpless.
884
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,199
I remember I always told him:
885
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,600
"When this is over,
886
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,600
when the truth is known,
887
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,280
when they see that they have made a mistake,
888
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,200
this is what we are going to do
and these are our plans."
889
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,200
Two things can happen.
890
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,639
Or is he innocent
891
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:19,719
and is the victim of a terrible injustice
who has had his life turned upside down,
892
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,960
or otherwise
She is a serial killer of children.
893
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,760
The stakes cannot be higher.
894
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,599
We have breaking news.
895
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,599
- Lucy Letby, found guilty…
-...of murder...
896
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,799
…to seven babies
and try to murder six others…
897
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,759
A clever calculator
898
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,119
cruel and cowardly serial killer.
899
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,359
Tonight, eclipse
to Myra Hindley and Beverley Allitt,
900
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,919
and becomes
in the worst murderer of children in the country.
901
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,359
After ten months of trial,
Lucy Letby is found guilty.
902
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,639
I have never heard of
of a worse woman.
903
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,960
One of the child murderers
with the most victims in modern history.
904
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,240
I can't imagine
Why can something like this be done?
905
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,880
When I accepted what had happened,
906
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,400
I felt very afraid for her.
907
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,359
I felt relieved, happy,
908
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,200
and then, at once... I broke down.
909
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,279
All that was true,
910
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,200
and… I couldn't escape from reality.
911
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,760
Neither my team nor I feel
euphoria or satisfaction.
912
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,000
For families,
the result was tremendously
913
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,680
difficult and traumatic.
914
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,079
Lucy Letby,
915
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,159
due to the exceptional severity
of the crimes he has committed,
916
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,680
He will spend the rest of his life in prison.
917
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,960
I felt the need
to apologize to my daughter.
918
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,640
In my opinion, I had failed as a mother.
919
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,999
I was asleep
when the events happened,
920
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000
and I...
921
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,600
I had endured all the pain awake...
922
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,839
of labor, birth,
923
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,759
but, when he needed me,
924
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,159
I wasn't there.
925
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,400
It is something that…
926
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,440
I can't forgive myself.
927
01:03:54,040 --> 01:04:00,760
SEPTEMBER 2024
928
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,759
I followed the case of Lucy Letby
from the moment of his arrest
929
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,199
and I saw how it all unfolded.
930
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,439
As a lawyer,
931
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,440
It worried me a lot.
932
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,239
we have to remember
933
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,359
{\an8}that no one saw her do anything wrong.
934
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,279
{\an8}PENALTY OFFICER
935
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,439
{\an8}There were no cameras.
936
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,320
There was no cell phone.
937
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:25,719
Nothing.
938
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,719
Mark McDonald, criminal lawyer.
Good morning.
939
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:29,639
Good morning.
940
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:34,359
What do you think about this case?
so complicated and moving?
941
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,679
{\an8}It is a complicated and moving case,
942
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,239
{\an8}but there have been many convictions like that
943
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,559
{\an8}both in this country and in others.
944
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,279
{\an8}Many of these convictions
945
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,599
{\an8}were due to judicial errors.
946
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,679
{\an8}All hypotheses
what the experts explained
947
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:51,959
{\an8}they were theories.
948
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,599
{\an8}The jury examined the evidence.
949
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,519
{\an8}- And that was his decision.
- They could have been wrong.
950
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,799
It was the first time
951
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:04,319
that someone went out publicly
to say, "Wait a minute.
952
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,080
I think it has been committed
a very serious mistake."
953
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,439
After the interview,
Lucy's parents called me.
954
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,239
They were heartbroken.
955
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,119
They didn't know where to turn, they asked me for help
956
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,880
and I told them yes.
957
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,120
I started studying the case.
958
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,880
The defense did not call
to any judicial expert.
959
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,080
I don't know why.
960
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,960
Maybe they thought
961
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,599
that the accusations were so ridiculous
That they wouldn't be necessary, I don't know.
962
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,280
I wish they had done it.
963
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:48,159
When they hired me,
There was only one story.
964
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,039
There was no doubt about his conviction.
965
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,559
Letby was guilty.
966
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,520
In the press,
there were covers with the word "evil."
967
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,440
However, they were aware of the shortcomings
of the prosecution's presentation.
968
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,319
On repeated occasions,
they referred to some scribbles
969
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,600
where Lucy had captured
your thoughts.
970
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,479
"I'm bad. It was me."
971
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,360
That was the note that came out
on all the front pages the next day.
972
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:27,360
The notes that contradicted that
They didn't appear on the covers.
973
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,759
Words like "defamation",
974
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,319
"discrimination",
975
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,880
"victimization",
976
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,680
"bastards."
977
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,799
Let's see, Lucy, it worries me a lot
some things he has written
978
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,000
and what they may imply.
979
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,560
Do you want to tell us something?
980
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,240
I wrote them because the situation overwhelmed me.
981
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,720
It was shortly after knowing
that they had separated me from the unit.
982
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,519
I thought they were calling me incompetent,
983
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,120
what did they think
that he had hurt them without knowing it,
984
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,960
and that made me feel guilty.
985
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,079
I HATE ME
986
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,079
Do you want to explain
some things he wrote?
987
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,640
I FEEL VERY ALONE
988
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,200
I blamed myself.
989
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,119
But not because I did anything,
but because of how people made me feel.
990
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,399
I KILLED THEM
991
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,760
IT WAS ME
992
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,879
I did the best I could,
993
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,479
and people began to say
that she was incompetent
994
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,120
or that he had done something bad,
and I... I couldn't resist it.
995
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,920
I didn't want to be there anymore.
996
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,040
Then he says: "I have no words.
I can't breathe. I don't focus."
997
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,960
I felt that all that...
998
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,119
it was getting out of control.
999
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,720
I didn't know how to take it or what to do.
1000
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,119
I felt like the team was trying to imply
1001
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,640
which was because of something I had done.
1002
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,480
Did anyone... hint that to you?
1003
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,680
Yes, some doctors.
1004
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:41,520
Could you tell us some reason
for which they would like to victimize her or…
1005
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,480
point it out in some way?
1006
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,799
It crossed my mind
that they wanted to blame me
1007
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,960
for something someone else did.
1008
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,959
When Lucy was removed from the unit,
1009
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,639
received help and follow-up
from the occupational therapy team
1010
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,760
from the Countess of Chester Hospital.
1011
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,479
They told him to write
what I felt and what I thought
1012
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,439
as a form of therapy.
1013
01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:18,719
The notes were not
a confession at all.
1014
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,879
If we believed that he wrote those notes
1015
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,599
shortly after removing it from the unit,
1016
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,280
his version of events would be feasible.
1017
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:31,440
When he talks about feeling panic,
1018
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,880
what was it that scared you?
1019
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,679
That they would think I had done something wrong.
1020
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,480
Okay, what could happen if they thought that?
1021
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,040
This could happen.
1022
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,360
- Ya.
- Let the police intervene.
1023
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,680
- And it happened?
- And that he lost his job.
1024
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,080
Did you like doing your job?
1025
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,000
Yes.
1026
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,719
Yes, I loved it.
1027
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,720
Okay.
1028
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:07,439
For defense,
Lucy was a dedicated nurse
1029
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:13,080
who had been diverted from his vocation
and that she was mentally distressed.
1030
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:20,399
The postit sums up perfectly
the complexities of the case.
1031
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,280
At first glance,
1032
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:27,039
It seems like a pure and simple confession,
1033
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,960
but, when you scratch a little,
1034
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,080
You see that things are not so clear.
1035
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,960
Until the trial and the verdict,
1036
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,480
I wrote to her and she responded to me.
1037
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,720
{\an8}For my part, I was very positive.
1038
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,040
{\an8}And now I didn't know what to say.
1039
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,439
"Maisie, there are no words
To describe my situation,
1040
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,920
but having you as a friend despite everything
It is very important and special to me.
1041
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,640
I have a room with a bathroom.
1042
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,439
I shower every day
and I take a walk outdoors.
1043
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:11,000
Going outside is important,
even if it's a little cold.
1044
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,239
I miss Tigger and Smudge.
They won't understand why I haven't come back.
1045
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,599
They'll think I'm a very bad mom.
1046
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,159
My parents are taking care of them, yes,
and they sure pamper them a lot.
1047
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,559
I do everything possible
for being strong and positive.
1048
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,400
I'm going to get over this. "I'm not going to give up."
1049
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,680
I'm sorry.
1050
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:48,799
In summer 2024,
something spectacular happened.
1051
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,720
An American journalist
from The New Yorker magazine
1052
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,839
analyzed possible errors of judgment
1053
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,920
and stopped pointing at Lucy Letby
1054
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,760
to focus on the hospital.
1055
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:09,879
What that article did
was sowing the seed of doubt
1056
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,239
and address the fundamental question.
1057
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,319
Was the unit in good condition?
to provide service?
1058
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,560
Did they use Lucy Letby
as a scapegoat?
1059
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,199
The unit was in crisis.
1060
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,279
At the end of each turn,
stress made nurses cry,
1061
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,319
since many were saturated
1062
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,159
because of the number of babies there were
1063
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,160
and due to the lack of personnel and resources.
1064
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:42,799
Once a week, they left me alone
with a highly dependent newborn
1065
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:48,720
and they told me: "I'm sure there's nothing wrong with him,
But if it turns blue, give us a touch."
1066
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,560
A trainee nurse
She can't be left alone with a baby like that.
1067
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,319
NEONATE UNIT SHIFTS
CHILD A, CHILD B, CHILD C
1068
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:05,799
One of the most convincing arguments
of the prosecution was that of the shifts.
1069
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,240
The entire column marked with an X.
1070
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,719
The objective is simple:
convince the jury.
1071
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:19,000
Argue that Lucy was present
whenever something bad happened.
1072
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,599
The fact is that we know that there were
few personnel and worked extra shifts.
1073
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,639
We also know
that Lucy Letby had formed
1074
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,959
and was better qualified
that many of her companions,
1075
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,599
with which he cared for the most seriously ill babies.
1076
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,879
The real issue, in my opinion,
1077
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,920
the strange thing would have been
that was not present.
1078
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:48,159
During the trial, the prosecution
He continued telling the jury:
1079
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:53,239
"Newborns stopped dying
when Lucy Letby was taken away."
1080
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,239
However,
When Lucy was removed from the unit,
1081
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:58,799
the category was downgraded,
1082
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,600
with what he stopped receiving
so many babies in serious condition
1083
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,240
and the mortality rate
He had to come down by force.
1084
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:17,120
I thought it was important to expose
the errors that had taken place.
1085
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:22,119
However, to achieve this,
I had to change the story.
1086
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,159
I'm joined by Mark McDonald.
1087
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,399
With us, Mark McDonald.
1088
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:31,479
I think I have evidence to affirm
This is a very worrying case.
1089
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:34,479
Suddenly, it started to grow.
1090
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,959
Lucy Letby was convicted
for murdering seven minors
1091
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,719
and try to murder seven more,
in my opinion,
1092
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,559
{\an8}clearly wrong
1093
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,999
{\an8}by a judicial system
unable to understand
1094
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,199
medical and scientific tests
of great statistical complexity.
1095
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,879
A key figure in the prosecution
It was Dr. Dewi Evans.
1096
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,240
He was the main expert witness for the prosecution.
1097
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,599
It was the person
who saw those medical notes
1098
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,159
from the beginning
and proposed the initial hypothesis
1099
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,759
about how each baby, according to him,
had fallen ill or died.
1100
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,919
Everything was based on his speech
1101
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,520
and in his reliability as a medical expert.
1102
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,520
During the trial,
something truly remarkable happened.
1103
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:25,679
A judge of the Court of Appeal
sent an email to the judge in the case
1104
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:30,079
where he criticized without restraints
to Dr. Dewi Evans
1105
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,599
and accused him of adapting his report
1106
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,520
depending on who hired him.
1107
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,080
In short, he was not impartial.
1108
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,519
Why a superior judge
who did not participate in the trial
1109
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,079
warned the judge of the case
of the serious doubts he harbored
1110
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,720
about the reliability of Dr. Dewi Evans?
1111
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,879
my problem was
that that same court had accepted
1112
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,679
Dr. Dewi Evans as a reliable expert,
1113
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,479
so my job was to find out
1114
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:09,479
whether what he had said was correct or not.
1115
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:14,840
I didn't need whoever read the book
and became an expert on the subject.
1116
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,680
I needed whoever wrote the book.
1117
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:25,000
ALBERTA, CANADA
1118
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,120
It was in full harvest,
with a lot of work,
1119
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,520
when I received an email on my cell phone.
1120
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,839
He was a lawyer from the United Kingdom.
1121
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,399
{\an8}An article of mine from 1989
about gas embolism had been used
1122
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,840
to condemn a nurse
from an ICU in the United Kingdom.
1123
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,119
Dr. Shoo Lee was absolutely crucial.
1124
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,159
Your article had been used.
1125
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,239
If it had not been interpreted correctly,
1126
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,480
Did you mean that Dr. Dewi Evans
had he been wrong?
1127
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:05,719
I was worried because,
if my article had been misinterpreted,
1128
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,000
We had a problem on our hands.
1129
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,359
I studied the tests
and I realized that they did not describe
1130
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,839
the type of skin discoloration
characteristic of air embolism.
1131
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,479
What they described
1132
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,560
It was skin discoloration.
due to hypoxia or lack of oxygen.
1133
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,359
That implied
that the conviction could be wrong.
1134
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,359
I was very worried.
1135
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:36,480
A young woman could spend the rest of her life
and even die in prison unjustly.
1136
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,839
I told Mark McDonald
that I was going to collaborate
1137
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,879
and he was going to assemble a committee
from 14 of the world's greatest experts,
1138
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,120
of whose experience, credibility
and knowledge there was no doubt.
1139
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,359
The objective would be to write
a detailed report
1140
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,760
about the causes of death
or injury in each case.
1141
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,360
Mr. McDonald represents his client
and he has to do his job.
1142
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,920
We have always been open
to the challenges. They are positive.
1143
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,720
We wanted them to explain their reasons.
1144
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,279
FEBRUARY 2025
1145
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,320
Upon arriving in London,
I felt tremendous pressure.
1146
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,039
We were going to communicate
the results of the committee,
1147
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:36,399
whose opinion would greatly influence
in the outcome of the case.
1148
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,279
Not just for Lucy Letby,
1149
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,520
but also for families,
public opinion and the judicial system.
1150
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,080
We are surrounded.
1151
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,080
Hello everyone.
1152
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,039
Are you convinced
What has an innocent person been convicted of?
1153
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:54,999
Yes, I am.
1154
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,280
- Thank you so much.
- We have to start.
1155
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:03,319
Let's start a little earlier,
since there are quite a few people.
1156
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,999
What we are going to do
is to present a report
1157
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:13,079
at the behest of Dr. Shoo Lee,
who is sitting next to me.
1158
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,479
Without further delay,
1159
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,799
I present to you Dr. Shoo Lee,
1160
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,120
the star of the show.
1161
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,759
Thank you.
1162
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,759
"The star of the show."
1163
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,559
This is not a show.
There are no stars.
1164
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,280
There are no reasons to smile.
1165
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:37,679
The nerve shown by this politician
by presenting that person like this
1166
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:38,999
It's disgusting.
1167
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,559
As a summary of our conclusions
1168
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,000
about the medical problems in question,
1169
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,000
we will say that the histories
They were incomplete.
1170
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,680
We found erroneous diagnoses,
1171
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,799
shortage of qualified personnel
in the unit
1172
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,760
and difficulties
for the doctors to come.
1173
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,599
Professor Lee made it very clear
1174
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,519
that none of the babies
had been deliberately damaged
1175
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,599
and poor care
was the cause of the collapses.
1176
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,440
In some cases, death.
1177
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,879
It's frustrating because
In some of the reviews,
1178
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:19,480
There is a depth of truth.
1179
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,039
We were short of personnel.
1180
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:26,999
In general, it happens in almost everyone
British public hospitals.
1181
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:32,559
Still, those same problems
They already existed before 2015 and 2016,
1182
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,040
and the death toll had not increased.
1183
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,359
Blame a partner,
which is already something unpleasant,
1184
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,479
of the murder
and attempted baby murder
1185
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:48,959
It's the worst way in the world
to try to cover up
1186
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,200
the problems and deficiencies
of a neonatal unit.
1187
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:02,199
The first thing I did was consult
neonatal survival rate
1188
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,960
prior to deaths and collapses.
1189
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,519
And that index was just as positive
that the rest of the official figures
1190
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,840
of England and Wales in those years.
1191
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,480
It was not a poor unit.
1192
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,839
They had to resuscitate the baby with…
1193
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,799
We study all cases one by one.
1194
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,479
In the case of baby number four,
his health was alleged to be stable
1195
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:32,239
when he was born and admitted to the Neonatal ICU.
1196
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,799
His health was not stable,
as the prosecution witnesses allege.
1197
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,360
They didn't warn me
that they were going to talk about my daughter's case.
1198
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:45,479
This baby was born after a break
premature and prolonged membrane rupture.
1199
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:49,320
If the membrane ruptures,
there is a risk of ascending infection.
1200
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,999
You have to give antibiotics
to the mother immediately
1201
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,120
to protect the fetus
from any infection.
1202
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,680
In this case, it was not done.
1203
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,119
When my water broke,
1204
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,639
They should have given me antibiotics right away.
1205
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,560
They failed me. They failed Zoe.
1206
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,319
All doctors, nurses
and experts clearly stated
1207
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,639
that Zoe was progressing well,
1208
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,000
I was better, I was stronger.
1209
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,279
There was a delay with antibiotics
1210
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,399
and also in the treatment
of respiratory failure.
1211
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,280
We found no evidence
of gas embolism.
1212
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,199
I disagree with Dr. Lee.
1213
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,399
He has not presented new evidence.
1214
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,399
You have only expressed a new opinion.
1215
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,359
The jury's decision
1216
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:47,719
was endorsed by three prestigious
judges of the Court of Appeal.
1217
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,800
That should be enough, I think.
1218
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,160
Therefore, this committee concludes
1219
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:02,359
that there was no medical evidence
of the existence of a malicious act
1220
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,720
in none of the 17 cases tried.
1221
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:06,839
There were serious problems
1222
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,679
with the medical care of patients,
1223
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,919
problems with teamwork
1224
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:18,040
and interdisciplinary collaboration
in the neonatal unit of the hospital.
1225
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,439
In summary, ladies and gentlemen,
We do not consider any murder.
1226
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:27,319
If there was no murder,
There was no murderer.
1227
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,560
What was Lucy Letby doing in prison?
1228
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,560
Child killer or victim?
1229
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:40,199
The interest in this case is palpable,
that has captivated the public.
1230
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,679
If it wasn't Lucy Letby,
1231
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,919
It is clear that there is something in that hospital
1232
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,839
which basically doesn't work.
1233
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,439
Call the program.
Do you have doubts about the Lucy Letby case?
1234
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:53,799
That press conference changed everything.
1235
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,239
People stopped being equidistant.
1236
01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,839
{\an8}Tell me I'm not the only person
who is thinking about Lucy Letby right now
1237
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,519
{\an8}and in the fact that it seems
that she has been unjustly convicted.
1238
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:09,479
Suddenly I wasn't a bad person anymore.
not even an angel of death.
1239
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:13,079
{\an8}Suddenly, people asked themselves:
1240
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,439
"Is Lucy Letby innocent?"
1241
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,879
{\an8}No, bro. I don't think he killed those babies.
1242
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,599
This case has blown my mind.
1243
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:25,199
In serial killer documentaries,
They were already weird and killed animals.
1244
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,120
They weren't like Lucy Letby.
I think he didn't do it.
1245
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,599
There are people who claim
1246
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,479
that the doctors
We wanted to get revenge on Lucy Letby.
1247
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:42,160
Do you have proof of that?
1248
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,559
THE CORRUPT DOCTORS SAID
IN THE TRIAL THAT THE BABY WAS WELL
1249
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I have been accused on the internet
of murdering babies.
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It's a scandal.
1251
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,439
I live with double guilt.
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One, to fail those babies,
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and two, a tiny guilt:
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"Are we in the wrong person?"
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01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,919
You feel guilty
in case it was a wrongful conviction.
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01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,479
I don't think the conviction was wrong.
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but it worries me
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that no one saw her do it.
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In recent years,
I haven't stopped questioning myself
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if he presented a face to me
and another different face before others.
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01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,879
There is always the doubt that,
no matter how much you think you know her,
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You never fully know a person.
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01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,359
There can always be
things you don't know about her.
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01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:50,959
However,
Unless I see real evidence,
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I can't believe it.
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I know people think
I support a child murderer,
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but she is my friend and she is in jail.
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Forever.
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Dr. Shoo Lee and the committee
finished the report
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and I sent it to the Commission
of Criminal Cases Review or CCRC,
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which, we hope,
will refer it to the Court of Appeal
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for the trial to be repeated.
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A young woman could be in prison
for crimes he has not committed.
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It is a huge responsibility,
Because it may be your last chance.
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For our "bad guys", it's easy to be bad,
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look bad and act like it.
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Lucy Letby is not like that.
1278
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That doesn't mean I wasn't capable.
of having committed all those crimes.
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The interesting thing about this case is
the amount of circumstantial evidence.
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I'M BAD, IT WAS ME
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Separately, they do not demonstrate
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That she is a cold-blooded murderer.
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01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,120
However, when you put them all together,
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It is natural for someone to think:
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"If this woman is innocent,
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"He has had very bad luck."
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We have spent several days
questioning and debating
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his participation in the murder
and attempted murder of 17 babies,
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something he has denied at all times.
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Do you have any more comments?
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No comments.
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The worst message for families
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was that someone
He had murdered his children.
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01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:24,759
The only person who really knows
why did he commit those infamous acts
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It is Lucy Letby herself.
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01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,840
In an environment where there is
considerable public debate,
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I continue to support research
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and the search for answers.
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01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,079
But, above all,
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our thoughts
they are with the families
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what they have to listen to
all kinds of distressing speculations.
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This is never overcome.
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On the one hand, there is grief,
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and on the other there is hope
and the love we feel for her.
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In the end, we are still here.
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For this, I prefer to give thanks
for what I have.
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I had the strength to try again.
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My husband and I have a beautiful son.
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He is our reason for being for everything.
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I have always talked about Zoe to my son.
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He knows he died when he was a baby.
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He knows he is in heaven.
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We have experienced one storm after another,
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and it's not over,
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but I want to get ahead.
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IN OCTOBER 2023, THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT
AN INVESTIGATION STARTED
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OF THE EVENTS OF THE COUNTESS OF CHESTER,
THE TRIAL AND SENTENCE OF LUCY LETBY,
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CHESHIRE POLICE
AN INVESTIGATION STARTED
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BY CORPORATE HOMICIDE
AT THE HOSPITAL.
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THE HOSPITAL DOES NOT BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE
MAKE MORE STATEMENTS,
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SINCE THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL ONGOING.
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IN JULY 2025, THE POLICE PRESENTED
TESTS ON NINE OTHER BABIES.
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ON JANUARY 2, 2026,
THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE ANNOUNCED
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THAT NO MORE CRIMES WILL BE CHARGED.
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DEFENSE ATTORNEY BEN MYERS
HE DID NOT WANT TO COMMENT
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WHY THE DEFENSE DIDN'T CALL
TO NO EXPERT DURING THE TRIAL.